fracas

You are good mocha!

I’d put the petition page up but meant to link to it at the end of the next post in my series. I was working on it before supper. You’ve seen it already, and thus, get to be the first on the list after me!

I’ll happily add you, and thanks for the link at your blog!

Thanks for the information sis, I’m going to go check it out as soon as I have more than five minutes (the time I have right now since I’m waiting for the dryer so I can put sheets back on the beds after the stomach flu decided to invade the young one) to get back on here.

good petition… add me! as a seamstress for the industry, and also having two daughters who were involved in modeling, i know how thin those women are required to be, and it is so unhealthy. thanks for stopping by my blog.

As a longtime sufferer of Anorexia, I would LOVE to add my name to this petition. It’s horrible to see such beautiful, vibrant young women tuen themselves into mere shells of a human being. To spend your days counting how many calories there are in a celeri stick or a single frozen grape is not an enviable existence, it is to be pittied, and should be preventable.

I hope that this petition WILL reach the industry as hoped, and that we will stop losing our sisters, mothers, daughters, cousins, and friends to these horrific dissorders.

Julie (A.K.A. Jewels)

As a medical professional and one that has had a lot of experience with eating disorders. I can tell you that anyone who thinks Anorexia or Bulimia is cool needs to have a strong rethink. Anorexia and Bulimia are both insidious soul destroying diseases and should not be used as examples of beauty.
Anyone who does should spend a bit of time walking around a hospital ward where these poor retches end up and they would quickly change their mind.
Rather the opposite should be taken, that it is ugly and not the least bit attractive and these people need urgent medical help. If you doubt what I am saying I have an excellent report and story on my website http://www.womenhealthsite.com/eating_disorders.htm
Dr Irina Webster

Please fell free to add my name to any petition. I am anti eating disorder in a big way. I had the misfortune of suffering along with a good friend of mine whose daughter nearly died from Anorexia and Bulimia. It was not a pleasant experience.
DR Irina Webster.

Hi Jewels! I already have you on the list. Please send as many people as you like this way though.. I agree with you totally!

Please include me in your petition. After suffering bulimiia for over
17 years and being fully recovered for 9 months now, I just want
to let everybody know that there is help and hope out there and
my life is not miserable anymore and we need to promote no more
size 0. Regards from a happy recovered bulimic from MexicoCity

Remember, anorexia and eating disorders are all part of the specturm of body image issues and body manipulation, whether this is by an indivudial on themselves or by a medical person, and this includes cosmetic surgery. 93% (at least) of cosmetic procedures are on women.

ban these site! ban ban porn, ban freedom
if you rid these site milloins of pepole who sffer with ed’s and use the site will be left alone in the dark to die!
They have helped a friend of mine in to sucessful recovery and im am currently getting help for anorexia, these pro ana/mia site have helped us and many others im sure.

Mental Illness is a myth.
See http://www.szasz.com/

The modern psychiatric system can call basically anyone “mentally ill” over something. Modern psychiatry is a secularization of religious morality and conduct codes.

Lifestyle choices can often result in damage to the body—for example, being gay and having unprotected anonymous sex in highway rest-stops could lead to HIV and HepC. I believe that adults are adults—they choose to act; they are not automatons programmed by the media. I am not about to infantalize a person and say that she doesn’t really choose what she eats—that is, of course, the case for children.

Making a 15 year old eat is probably very simple. I am pretty sure that this technology is applied in the defense of American Freedom at Guantanamo Bay. Force-feeding is a solved problem. Once someone is an adult, she can eat what she likes. If she wants help to change her diet, that is certainly OK, but she doesn’t need to hide behind a disease. Eating is a choice. Choosing to eat less or more is not the result of a disease.

I am for personal responsibility, not scapegoating. Hollywood isn’t snatching the food out of the mouths of so-called anorexics; anorexics are doing it to themselves. I support the right of an adult to do whatever it wants to itself so long as it is doing so peacefully. If parents have problems with their childrens’ eating habits, they should consider how they acted during the first 8 years of that child’s life—that is when eating habits are imprinted mostly. If they want to correct this, that is fine, but they should say ‘We wish to correct the damage we have done to our poor daughter’s eating habits’ not ‘we wish to correct the horrible anorexia that my daughter was given by that horrible media!!!’

If nothing else, who allowed the child to be exposed to that media? Why, the parents.

Any way you slice it, with minors it is a parenting problem and with adults it is a lifestyle choice.

Parents choose to raise children that are susceptible to marketting.

John Stuart Mill could read Greek by the age of 3.

You’re the one in denial, blaming the fashion industry for poor parenting. It’s called scapegoating. If it is impossible to keep children away from influences you consider negative, don’t have children.

Having children is the real problem here.

http://www.vhemt.org

What whole mentality has no credibility here, the one that actually thinks instead of just repeating stuff from the very same evil media that programs young girls to be anorexic?

Szasz is right on the money about psychiatry and the therapeutic state. The real sad thing is that most parents like the therapeutic state because it medicalizes their poor parenting.

What am I denying? I am simply extrapolating from the common-sense belief that adults choose their actions.

The industry is only able to fuck up children because selfish adults keep having children—but, of course, it is much easier to scapegoat the fashion industry than the selfish parents who have more children within a culture that they themselves condemn.

Maybe fix the problems before breeding?

“And seriously, trying to prove your arguments by leaving links to sites such as The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement, Szasz and the like are why probably, you have a great deal of trouble getting taken seriously.”

There is an aristocracy among men—not everyone is bred sufficiently well nor is everyone educated sufficiently well to understand the truths offered by the VHEMT and men like Szasz.

My mind is not closed; the problem is that there is no compelling refutation of Szasz. Why are you mentioning Tom Cruise? That may be what you’re involved in, but I am acquainted with Szasz academically—your mentioning Tom Cruise says more about where you get take cues from than it says about me.

I am quite willing to accept responsibility for the beliefs I have chosen. They are good beliefs, and they produce a consistent world-view that emphasizes individual liberty within the liberal paradigm—something that the founding fathers of America would agree with quite a lot.

If given the choice between promoting liberty and promoting the therapeutic state, I simply choose liberty. You choose the therapeutic state. That’s fine, but please realize that your choices have consequences the least of which do not include the forced mass drugging of schoolchildren—especially young boys.

Poor parenting does not negate choice. Poor parenting means that people may be inclined to make poor choices, but this is America—we have libraries; we have public universities. People with the poorest parents—or no parents—can and do rise up against adversity.

Perhaps some day you will grow up and abandon your K-12 relativist epistemology—which you obviously don’t believe because you are trying to goad me into the belief that my truths are bad or wrong or somehow not what I should actually believe—they are “crap”.

Sorry mal.. there you go again making assumptions about me.

Several. And sadly, for someone who obviously sees himself as “bred sufficiently and educated sufficiently well to understand the truths offered by the VHEMT and men like Szasz”, you’ve assumed incorrectly several times about my personal beliefs.

Shouldn’t being “educated sufficiently” provide some sort of insurance against that failure?

The reference to Tom Cruise gave quite the opposite of your implication that I am somehow “involved in that”. It stated:

Linking to Thomas S. Szasz to “prove” your point with me is about as effective as quoting Tom Cruise. That whole mentality has no credibility here

Surely someone “educated sufficiently” as you seem to think you are, would’ve understood what was being said.

Your posts have been a series of ill-formed (mostly wrong) assumptions about me and my beliefs and a lack of substantiating anything you claim with anything other than opinion.

As I’ve already stated, you’re welcome to your opinion. Remember that unless you have some way of proving it is anything but… it is just that. Opinion. I did not say that your opinions were wrong. In fact, I said I was able to see truths in both your and my beliefs.

It’s too bad that for someone who believes himself to be “educated and bred sufficiently”, you must resort to talking down to others (case in point, your second paragraph as well as your last).

Coming to the table with nothing but the pedestal you’ve places opinions such as Szasz’ and those of the VHEM won’t hardly convince others to take you seriously no matter how loudly you proclaim your “sufficient breeding and education”.

The fact that you’ve chosen to make many assumptions about me has limited you, not me. As I’ve reminded you already, it was I who said that I could see truths in both your world view and mine. Your “adult” choice to believe in someone (Szasz) who professes there is only truth in his own beliefs certainly does qualify as “crap” in my book. And remember… just as you have your right to your opinion, I have my right to mine.

Some of psychiatry and psychology is certainly false. I have never been one to believe unquestioningly, in all of it. I also though, believe people who outright deny any of it are simply fools.

Provide some irrefutable and concrete proof, evidence or something credible, that mental illness is indeed a myth. Continuing to state it is so because you believe it, just doesn’t cut it.

If you can only continue to quote the opinions of others, and talk down to people who don’t share yours, then really, you’re just wasting everyone’s time. They call that attention seeking… trolling, etc. online.

It’s a label you should want to avoid.

I’m sorry, I think I’ve made a huge mistake.

I thought I was arguing with men, but I am pretty sure now that you’re a woman.

Arguing with a woman is like arguing with a pig—it just makes the pig upset.

Sorry to have bothered you.

Yeah, that’s why I like you. You have enough confidence to know we don’t have to agree on everything in order to still think each other pretty cool. That’s why you have three listings on the blogroll. Three! Can you believe it? Holy lick, you must be cool.

That’s wonderful cath. Do you want me to add your name to this petition? Since it’s a blog, I have to add you. The petition at the Petition Site has scripts to allow for automatic adding (probably not the right technical term but oh well, you know what I mean).

If you do want me to add you, I’ll be happy to link your name to your own blog or site if you want. Let me know, okay?

Signed!

Add me too Fracas…
Mel calling you a pig would surely be an insult to wonderful sweet pigs everywhere…. you are no more that a bully and sorry to say , some bullys are educated ….*sigh*
I Thank God that She looks past the ignorance of men and sees her true glory ………….. Women ……….
If every man I had ever ran across was a mel Id be a flaming lezzbo and left dip sticks alone all together LOL LOL
Peace- judy

yay! thank you for this.
i pray that when my sister is my age she will not feel the pressure of being so thin.

As a woman and mother of two teen girls, I salute this petition and all your efforts.