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Anne Kilkenny. Jealous of Sarah Palin? You decide.

Despite her information being at times opinion rather than fact, and at other times, not necessarily accurate, Anne Kilkenny said “I wrote my message in the spirit of providing complete and accurate information. I’m not angry or jealous.”

Do you believe her?

Read the full text of the Kilkenny email about Sarah Palin that’s making its way around the globe, by clicking here. There’s a photo of Kilkenny and Palin, and following the email text, there’s a whole lotta fraccy opinion.

That was just what you wanted, now… wasn’t it?


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I have decided you are the one who is jealous.

Comment by glizz

Okay, lol.

Who am I jealous of… Kilkenny, or Palin?

Or maybe I’m jealous of Obama or McCain. I think I’ve always wanted a penis.

(and shut up John… I know you’re going to have a comment for that one. ;-))

Comment by fracas

I am jealous of Mr. Palin.
What a great choice for John McCain.
Where can I find one like her?
Jerry

Comment by Jerry

I happen to know someone who looks like her…

Comment by fracas

I understand the analysis and I suspect that you are accurate on some of the points but I would add that it seems to me that you don’t have experience living in a very small town like Wasilla. There are pretty much no secrets in such a small town especially when it comes to the elected officials that are so outspoken.

Personally, I think S-Pal is an power-hunger vendictive politician.

Comment by Augusto

Personally, I think S-Pal is an power-hunger vendictive politician

Which would make her different from other politicians, how?

LOL

I’d also like to point out though, that sometimes one can be part of a large corporation or business (or holding office in a larger centre) and yet… have personally not filled those shoes to as great an extent as someone in a smaller company or office.

It all depends on the person and how much effort they put into what they did, how they did it, what they learned, how they set out to learn it and all those factors.

In my own personal life, (and I’m being a little vague because I do value my privacy and don’t blurt out personal things that would lead people to harass me… it’s unpleasant when that happens, I know…) I’ve not been the CEO, but I’ve put more effort into some of the things I’ve done and therefore have more actual and practical experience than the person who was technically in charge of me.

That’s what I mean. You have to go on reality, not perceived reality. I could’ve run that company better than the person who was doing it. We need more info to come out before we make those judgements.

Comment by fracas

Does anyone have a picture of Anne. I think if we knew what she looked like it might explain a lot.

Comment by JMK

Gosh. Yeah. A picture of Anne Kilkenny would tell us a lot. Like what she looks in one photograph.

Fracas – do you realize electing a president to clean up the insanely irresponsible, damaging acts of the last republican administration is a very serious, adult matter? Are you capable at any level of understanding that there are people who don’t really get jealous of other people but, like Anne, put themselves out there to serve the greater good?

Please – do not project your level on others. It is insulting and it is not what we need right now. It’s the kind of observation a 16-year old makes.

Comment by Chessicle

JMK – If you followed through with the link, you’d find the photo. The photo is there because I feel that since Kilkenny made appearance one of the issues by stating the equivalent of how men were stupefied by Palin’s good looks, posting a photo of both was a tit for tat deal. I believe appearance shouldn’t be the issue at all. The photo was my way of showing how unfair it is for Kilkenny to have played that card. It seems to me, from Kilkenny’s other comments, that she has some other type of personal problem with Palin…

Chessicle – You must be kidding, because otherwise you just look stupid for saying what you just did.

Obviously you did not click through to read which comments of Kilkenny I found to be objectionable, nor to see what my own opinions actually were. No.. you just leapt to some assumptions and made yourself look stupid by (trying to) talk down to me.

Your own opinions of what your country needs right now are just that. Your own opinions. The polls being fairly even right now, there are obviously half of Americans polled who think that what you believe the country needs is not what the country needs.

Are you capable of understanding that if Kilkenny was indeed putting herself out there to serve the greater good, that HALF of her comments would’ve been left on the cutting room floor instead of left in the letter to make herself look jealous and petty? It is those comments I took issue with, not her claims about Palin’s experience. Her comments of personal nature that have to do with Palin’s appearance, her husband’s salary, her family relationships and whether or not she works out in a gym? Come on… none of those have a lick of anything to do with her ability to do the job she was nominated for and they sound nothing but angry, bitter and jealous.

So to talk down to me when it is you who didn’t follow through, who made assumptions, and who assumes that your own opinions of what the country needs are more worthy than the opinions of the other half of the voting/polling public just makes you look laughable.

So please, how about taking your own advice and not project your level on others here. I title my posts based on words that will gain traffic, as every other successful blogger does. It’s something you learn as you go along. If you want to be read, if you want to get your opinions and your message out there… one needs to learn how to get the click when there are hundreds or thousands of others out there blogging the same things.

Are you capable of understanding that?

Why don’t you check your blog’s ratings against mine before your make some leap that I’m “not capable” of understanding something and next time you might think to actually read all the information before you make huge assumptions about people.

Or is that something you endorse? Not really knowing all the facts and just going on your personal opinions. Oh. I guess so, since you and “Anne” seem to be content to do that with Palin.

Comment by fracas

Please understand that the appointment to vp nomination was a reward for her cooperation with the H.A.A.R.P. program that has a facility in the city of Wasilla. HAARP was responsible for Katrina, Gustav, Hana, Ike, Ivan, Rita, global warming…

Comment by Noel

Please elaborate Noel. What years did this cooperation occur during and what are your sources.

Thanks.

Comment by fracas

Sour grapes? Woman scorned? Green Monster? Hoax? whatever, Anne Kilkenny, diatribe seems to be a very very narrow person (speaker for an attack-pack?) and has all the contempt from me she deserves, and I am your mother! I am so ashamed of you and of how jealous you have always been of Sarah. You have always hated her because she is everything you have always wanted but couldn’t be!

Shame on you!

Comment by Rei

*sigh*. Rei. We know you can’t be her mother. Honestly… the email letter contains enough nonsense of its own that it isn’t necessary to post stuff like this.

Comment by fracas

Like they say…. a picture tells a thousand words.

You wanted a picture of Anne, see the link below. LMAO

http://www.mypokertube.com/viewphoto/3625/

Comment by JanieG

I’ve already seen (and used at the other blog) that photo.

I don’t think it’s really anything to LMAO about. I think showing it does show Anne that it shouldn’t really be about how she looks… and so that means it shouldn’t really be about how Sarah looks either. I hope by people showing her photo, she realizes how unfair it is to make someone’s appearance a factor but I don’t think people need to laugh at her.

Comment by fracas

Why doesn’t someone put up a story about how she really was in highschool!?

Comment by alaskanreal

Which person? Palin or Kilkenny?

And actually, if you click the link in the post (or here), it goes to another longer post with tons of discussion about this issue. When I brought up the fact that maybe some of what’s going on between the two women now, had something to do with things that happened between them in the past (perhaps high school days) I was scoffed at.

Comment by fracas

No she is telling the truth, shes not jealous of the sarcastic lady Plain

Comment by erica

Palin is a sick person. She thinks she is smarter than everyone else. LOL…..I do believe thta Anne is telling the truth. Of course she is not jealous. I think she was trying to reach out us and let us know about Palin’s background. I ain’t for McCain/Palin period…

Comment by David K

Anne Kikenny as a Democrat has plenty to gain as covert operator for her party. Fact, Sarah Palin stepped up and did the work necessary to allow the process of a free society to work. Kikenny is a Voyuer who may have wished she could have personally succedded doing what Sarah Pulin has done applied herself, instead she choose to write a smear peice…. like no one knows Mayors usually have city administrators because like all chief officiers they need to know how to delegate assign and manage theres more Anne. Sometimes it is harder in a small town because everyone knows everyone and everyone has an opinion. Instead of Anne Kikenny wishing she could be like Gov. Palin, energetic and hardworking to use Annes words (after seeing anne’s picture frankly like anne I only want to share this with a few friends and family on the net anne could should work out regularly in the gym too. Lets get real this was a political hack job what did you think they would write Dear friends So many people have asked ME to write what I know about Sara Palin because I hate her! the womans accomplished and hot and Im so not? Pleazze Pleeeazze! All politians have to make desisions some are not popular with everyone. Sorry Anne working at home while essential and I am a home maker by the way not a housewife Id say that is an upgrade but hey if you want to sit passively and observe then dont back stab your childs favorite teachers child. ANNE while your washen your dishes or ironing your clothes anne look out the window while your washing them too and say, “I wish I may I wish I might not have another housewife see right thought you. You are so Busted but hey Thank You for this fun read You have some other people who cant do stats all excited.

Comment by CJ Moor

Wow. I read the whole email and I too believe the woman (Anne) is quite jealous. The quote about keeping secrets — why on earth would Sarah Palin or her family tell Anne anything? I also live in a small town in Alaska and pregnancy is a very private thing, especially for an older woman carrying a special needs baby who has a “professional” job. I find people who can keep secrets (not gossip) a great quality. And, Anne going on about Sarah’s looks or Todd fishing Bristol Bay (not being their main income – of course it isn’t their main income, practically everyone fishes in another fishery or does something else, because one fishery just isn’t going to cut it!) Get real. Yes, there is quite a bit of sour grapes there on Anne’s part and it must be difficult seeing Sarah Palin go on and be SO POPULAR. I’ve read about Wasilla and their economy… and the changes are a matter of opinion on what you think is/was good for the town. Also, the comment about “she hates me” – well, lets return the preceived favor and get her (Sarah Palin) in an email. Any person with a great job/position makes enemies. Just chalk this one up to one unhappy person in Wasilla…

Comment by C in Alaska

I believe her. She knows this candidate and her family personally, was present at 99% of the city council meetings, and was a group of 100 who protested firing a librarian who wouldn’t ban books.

She knows the real person, not the ‘persona’ that’s being sold to the American people. She knows how Palin grabbed power and used it. She paid taxes for the left legs of wolves shot by airplane, she paid taxes for the 12 million dollar ICE HOCKEY rink for her son to enjoy. She might be an interesting person but, in my opinion is Palin is fit to be vice-president never mind president.

God Bless America and God Bless Barack Obama!!!

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Comment by Matericia

Jealous? What a catty question. I am very tired of hearing that the press (and everyone else) is unfairly attacking her, blah, blah, blah. We are less than 60 days from the election and a virtual unknown has been cast into the spotlight. What did they expect? Furthermore, when you come out as an unknown throwing punches, you should expect to get punched a few times, yourself. Personally, I want to hear all sides of her story, and the more the campaign keeps her in hiding, the more voracious people will become in their search for the truth. From this woman’s perspective, I think she can do women more harm than good, especially if she falls on her face when it comes to the tough questions about our country’s issues. I hold McCain accountable for not properly vetting her.

Comment by Annie

I believe Anne McKinny and feel that she is a brave woman. I listened to Governor Palin’s talk given at the Republican National Convention but finally had to turn off the TV because I was sickened by her venomous diatribe. Everything she said (after spending the first fifteen or so minutes introducing her family) was in the fine Karl Rove tradition. I wondered if he had written some of her speech. It certainly bore some of his vicious imprint.
I am a sixty-eight year old woman (a mother and grandmother) and Sarah Palin certainly does not speak for me. She sounds like someone from the distant past perhaps before women were granted the right to vote.

Comment by Joyce Dewsbury

According to some, Palin is telling the “truth” about herself because she’s attractive, but Kilkenny is lying because she’s not as pretty, but jealous? At this point, I know more about Kilkenny than I know about Palin. She’s no pitbull, just a shrew who can read trash-talk speeches from the Rove machine. In the five days, she’s been campaigning, glued to McCain’s hip,it’s the same speech, shrewish rhetoric from the GOP convention. The GOP chant should’ve been “Shrill, baby, shrill!”

Comment by Duncan

I am 31 years old and have never voted once. I will not vote this year either. Its all a big sham, if the “good old boys” want Mr. McCain and Palin in they will be voted in or cheated in.. Its very scary fact that these acts go on in a such a great country. I don’t think Anne Kikenny is jealous, but pissed off a person like that has been chossen to further Tarnish America in a very unstable world. And guess what if you want to be in the publics eye you don’t get to have secrects. You get to answer questions about if you inhaled in 8th grade or not, Old boyfriends and girlfriends can destroy you in a few words if you made them upset 20 years ago. Just my random thoughts.

Comment by John Pullen

I agree with Kilkenny and I believe her. I wouldn’t vote for Mccain/Palin even if I were given the world. Scary to think a woman like her would fire a librarian and/or commisioner. If she doesn’t like Mccain after being elected will she fire him next? They scare me if they were to run our country. Kilkenny is just telling the facts about Palin and how she runs government and she is NOT jealous of Palin. Thank God for freedom of speech.

Comment by saphiriver

Washington does not need any more fighters. Obviously Killkenny is very upset with Palin for mutiple reasons, be it jealousy or her political moves.. but for that she’s putting her neck on the line to say so. If Palin makes someone in her hometown this upset, imagine the effects she’d make on a country that really REALLY needs some political uplifting.. We need someone in the white house who will pull this country together, not someone who wants to “stir things up”. We need someone who will unite the states together with respect… and just from witnessing the speeches, not to mention her history, Palin has made it obvious that respect is not something she politically embraces.

Comment by rose

erica – And you know this for a fact, how?

David K – Again, I ask how you know for a fact that she’s not jealous when her own words sure make it sound like she is?

CJ Moor – I laughed out loud when you said this: “You have some other people who cant do stats all excited”

Priceless. And thank you for noticing what I’ve been trying to say. She herself, admits her own “facts” might not even be accurate or true, but she then excused herself for it by saying she’s “just a housewife”. Guffaw, guffaw, guffaw.

C in Alaska – I agree. I’ve chalked it up to that. If Anne wanted me to take her seriously she should’ve nixed the personal stuff and made sure her facts were undisputable, not excused them for not being accurate because she’s “just a housewife’.

Annie“Jealous? What a catty question.” Hardly. Motives for writing something damning about someone else should always come into question. To not do so is irresponsible. If you want the truth about the candidate to come out, shouldn’t you want to know if what you’re being told really is the truth or are you only looking for the kind of truth you want to hear? Kilkenny’s letter has far too many personal opinions and statements qualified only by saying that someone “told” her what she’s saying. The “facts” she includes are then subject to her own disclaimer of how they might not even be accurate… only she excuses that by saying she’s “just a housewife”.

And you call me catty to suggest that we should examine motives for writing such a sloppy piece of work and calling it fact? Amazing.

Joyce Dewsbury – You believe Anne McKinny? Who is Anne McKinny? I’ve written some very good points to consider about what Anne Kilkenny said. If you don’t even know enough about the issue to know who you’re talking about, how can you so readily believe a stranger’s word? There is no candidate who is going to speak for everyone on all issues. It’s not possible. That’s why everyone should actually and properly inform themselves and then vote.

Duncan – In my book, I think Kilkenny’s actions are based on some issue from the past with Palin (jealousy, anger, hate… or something) because of what she said, how she said it and the fact she really hasn’t provided much other than immature “someone told me that” verification for what she’s said; I don’t believe one is lying and one is not because one is attractive and the other not. And how can you possibly know more about Kilkenny unless you know her personally and are here to defend her?

John Pullen“Old boyfriends and girlfriends can destroy you in a few words if you made them upset 20 years ago.” Thanks for pointing that out. It’s been exactly what I’ve suspected and tried to point out all along. I believe there is history behind Kilkenny’s letter. No shocker there… we all know that when one chooses to be a public figure, someone from somewhere in their past is going to come out of the woodwork to trash them. Fact is, there’s no one alive, not even you or I, who hasn’t done something that someone could tell to make us look really bad. Does that make you a bad person or a person who shouldn’t ever hold office if you desire to?

I absolutely think this looks like Kilkenny is just the equivalent of an old boyfriend or girlfriend who sees her chance to get even with Palin for something in the past… something we probably won’t ever know what it really was.

saphiriver – A) I’d like to know how you know for a fact that she is not jealous. Are you she? Are you in her head? B) People get fired upon a new government being elected (or in business, new management or owners coming in) all the time. It’s not so unusual. I’m sure in Obama’s past, are people he’s fired. C) If you really think that a Vice-President could fire the President just like that…(how you implied), then I’m wasting my time even answering you.

rose – Fact is… “uniting everyone” is nothing but flowery and poetic talk, it’s not a reality. Regardless of who is elected, there will be those who remain opposed and unhappy and will not be “united”. Kilkenny gains far more than she loses by doing what she’s done and anyone who doesn’t understand that is wearing a big ole pair of rose colored glasses. By her actions, Kilkenny has guaranteed her own “celebrity” and from some, the distinction of being a “hero” not to mention any financial gain she will likely be able to reap from interviews or book deals. Indeed, if she hasn’t already, those will come.

Comment by fracas

wow fracas – you sounded so cynical in your answers to rose and others who posted their comments. it’s funny that you are so sure anne is jealous. everyone that doesn’t answer your question the way you prefer is scolded derisively with sarcastic questions such as, “I’d like to know how you know for a fact that she is not jealous…are you in her head?” we could ask the same about your possibly being in her head, too. of course, you’ll probably answer by telling us to read your comments which “prove” anne’s jealousy in her own words. hahaha

Comment by sam stevens

I don’t think I ever said I was in her head, and… I don’t think I ever said that my comments “prove” anything. In fact… if you read this post that links to the email over at the other blog, you’ll see that I said this:

and following the email text, there’s a whole lotta fraccy opinion.

Hmmm. So I’ve freely admitted that my own comments are opinion. Imagine that. Gosh, and here you’ve gone and made me yourself look all silly with your ’scathing’ rebuttal.

Whether my comment to rose about ‘uniting everyone’ being poetic and flowery talk is cynical… or just the way it is, is subjective and open to interpretation based on who you are. I am not in Anne’s head and never professed to be. I said (repeatedly albeit) that had she left off the personal stuff and made sure her facts were verifiable instead of doing the shuffle-feet-aww-shucks-I’m-just-a-housewife thing, I might have believed her. This is my opinion and I haven’t presented it as anything but.

I just happen to be a very stubborn and big-mouthed woman who doesn’t usually say anything unless I’ve really made up my mind and then doesn’t back down.

Some people like that about me. I know I do, so hahaha yourself.

Comment by fracas

Here in Maryland we have a one party machine (Democrat) running the state. We have a governor who fires people on a whim, lies with impunity and governs with a heavy hand. He gets away with it because he’s “the right party” and the majority preferred him to the Republican alternative. Sill, the “Gov” has less than a 30% approval rating from his heavily-Democratic constituents. The fact that Sarah Palin has an 80% approval rating in Alaska is nothing less than amazing. Ms Kilkenny sounds like a person with a personal gripe against Governor Palin.

Comment by Dan

Talk about getting your “hour of fame”. Who the heck are you? Over and over you sound like you have some axe to grind. Not at Kilkenny or Palin but at life. Your quote, “I’ve not been the CEO, but I’ve put more effort into some of the things I’ve done and therefore have more actual and practical experience than the person who was technically in charge of me.” Sure sounds like “poor me”. Did it ever occur to you that you haven’t risen in the ranks because you’re not qualified? Anne Kilkenny has one statement that should ring true for everyone: “I’ve always operated in the belief that ‘Bad things happen when good people stay silent’ It is so true and so scary to hear you denigrate that concept.

Comment by Jan

Dan – I agree.

Jan – I’m a blogger, who, if I wanted “fame” wouldn’t blog using a pseudonym, use a box number for my address and a generic email. If you’d spent more than five minutes here, you’d see that.

All of this to read, all of the valid points made regarding the parts of the Kilkenny letter I took issue with (note that I didn’t complain about all, only some of it) and you choose this?

“I’ve not been the CEO, but I’ve put more effort into some of the things I’ve done and therefore have more actual and practical experience than the person who was technically in charge of me.”

Seriously? That’s what you chose… despite all the other things I said? You took that out of context and applied it here to mean what you want it to mean. And you dramatize it by saying “over and over” yet there’s just this one thing I said that you can pick out and wag the “you have an axe to grind at life” finger?

Rotfl. Oh my. I hope I have more in my life to be angry about than that one itty bitty experience, otherwise it’s just going to ruin my whole “old and bitter hag” thing I have going for myself here with all these lighthearted posts (more than 1000) and the jokes, and the bra and shoe fun, and the fact that my blog is listed at numerous humor-blog directories… Gosh… the more I think about what you said, the more I feel like I should go do something rash. After all, I have nothing to live for anymore…

Oy. Okay, It’s too bad I have to, but I’ll explain it.

With that comment, the point being made was that if one simply says ‘x’ amount of experience in one person is equal to ‘x’ amount of experience in another person, one is fooling themself. I gave my example because it was easier… and oversimplified because in fact, this story isn’t about me nor do I desire it to be. I was explaining by way of myself as an example, that if say, one person has technically worked somewhere for 10 years and even has a supervisory role but say that person has their job because their father owns the company so that person never really does much other than fill a chair… and say another person at the same place for 5 years does the lion’s share of the work, has the innovative ideas and has actually held everything together, who really has more “experience” then? So were they both to run for some office and one said, “I have ten years of experience” but the other with only five years of “experience” actually could fill the office better… would you think it wise to just go on who has more “experience”?

Double Oy. Too bad you didn’t get the point. It wasn’t about “me” it was about the point.

Again, if you spent more than five miinutes here you’d see that I am none of what you just wrote. Another thing you did, was throw out a straw man.

At no time did I denigrate the statement ‘Bad things happen when good people stay silent’ Saying I did might make you feel better, but it’s not accurate. I didn’t take issue with Kilkenny making a statement and in fact, several times I said that had she made her statement in a more effective and verifiable way, I might actually have believed her. So quite honestly, you’re full of it. I have simply maintained that Kilkenny would’ve been more effective and believable if

A) She’d left out the personal comments that have nothing to do with Palin’s qualifications (ie/ looks, how much her husband earns, whether or not she told her family of her pregnancy and when…)

B) She had sources for her comments instead of saying “someone told me”

C) She hadn’t excused the possibillity that her ‘facts’ weren’t even accurate by saying ’she’s just a housewife’

D) She hadn’t lied about why she wrote the letter. She said it was for family and friends yet she instructed people to google her to verify her identity. Family wouldn’t have to do that, strangers would. She clearly wrote it for the public and was trying to make it seem like she wrote it for family. That calls her truthfulness into question and together, those details make her seem to have done this for less than the honorable reason of “‘Bad things happen when good people stay silent’

It’s unfortunate that rather than see the valid points there, you choose to point the finger at me.

I find THAT scary.

Maybe another time you’ll actually spend more than five minutes here to see that the vast majority of content here is lighthearted and displays a love of life, friends and family. Perhaps you might also then notice that despite this site being quite a successful one, I choose to remain anonymous to all but my close friends and family. If I wanted “fame” I could certainly have it at any time by revealing who I am. I choose not to.

If after all this, you still don’t get it… you probably never will. At that point, please feel free to continue to think whatever kooky thing you choose to make up in your mind about me. It won’t matter much anyway…

I’m anonymous.

Rotfl.

Comment by fracas

You keep going on and on and on about “spend more than five minutes here”. I have spent the last half hour reading your ridiclious responses to others opinions regarding your opinion. All I have to say is, you are a very rude person, and the last thing we need in this country is another 4 years of Republican bull.

Comment by Besos

Dear Viewer,

I am a democratic. I have always voted the person and not the party. At 74 and a life-long educator, I must tell you that having read the many comments I am saddened. Instead of listening to her experiences (and in light of the protective shield placed around Sara Palin)I am truly saddened that so many go and attach Anne on the basis of her motivation and physical appearance. Why must we continue this partisan vitriolic attack on pesonalities and not collectively sit down and humbly and collectively deal with the real issues pulling our country down and apart? I say wake up citizen! May your God bless, protect, guide and unite you as one Nation!

Comment by Jack

Besos – I respond to comments in the tone with which they are issued to me first.

If you look at each comment and see how the person commented first… you will be hard-pressed to find me being rude unless someone was rude first (or attempted to speak to me in a demeaning fashion… which I suppose qualifies as rude).

If people can’t take it given back to them, they shouldn’t dish it out.

By “spending more than five minutes here” I refer to looking at the content of the rest of the blog. Of the 1048 posts and more than 30 pages of content here, this post and my opinion about Kilkenny is but ONE, yet some of the people leaving comments have decided that my opinion about this ONE thing must mean I am angry at life, etc. and so made rude comments about me. I respond in kind and so you deduce it is I and not the person who was rude first, who is the rude person.

I will give back whatever is dished out, guaranteed. That doesn’t make me a ‘rude’ person. It makes me not a doormat.

They were asked to view the rest of the blog to see what kind of a person I really am. Most of the blog is silliness and fun.

You, yourself, start out by referring to my responses as ‘ridiculous’ yet when I tell others their opinions are the equivalent of ridiculous, you attempt to ‘reprimand’ me for being rude to people. I think that’s right about when someone might say to you, “Pot. Kettle. Black.”

You further respond by focusing on not what I asked… but this thread of comments where I (as anyone who is not a doormat might do) return rudeness with rudeness. From that you determine that I am a rude person instead of having a look at more than a thousand opportunities to see that I am always decent to people who are decent to me, and in fact, go far out of my way to do things for people who deserve it.

Hmm.

Ok.

It’s a good thing I believe you have a right to your own opinions, and that I allow you to visit my blog and post them, isn’t it?

Because that’s what a rude person would do, right?

I suggest that your last line is only your opinion. Many people think your country cannot afford to risk putting Obama in charge. If I now tell you that your response on that is ridiculous, are you going to tell me I’m rude again?

Sheesh.

Comment by fracas

Jack – I agree with you.

I have repeatedly said that I wished Kilkenny had not brought Palin’s looks, her pregnancy, her husband’s salary, etc. into it and that my preference would’ve been that Kilkenny hadn’t put those things on the table at all. I repeatedly have defended Kilkenny to people on this blog and the one linked to, who have said Kilkenny is ugly or fat, etc.

The thing is… if we are going to rely on a person’s personal opinions about Palin, then we have to not just listen to the Anne Kilkennys but we have to be willing to listen to the Deb Frosts and the Butch Kings too.

I realize that with anyone… there will be those who have good to say and those with bad to say so it does make sense to want to know the motivation behind what is being said.

On that… I don’t agree with you. Motivation behind actions does matter.

I do agree though, that what matters is what’s on the public record. Not what and unidentified “someone” told “someone” and not what’s heresay. What matters is really what’s there that can be proven, examined and answered for.

It seems though, that every time I try say that… people would like to call me names, imply that I am not capable of understanding “adult” things and the like. If I reply to them in kind, others then call me rude.

If people want to show how desperately they want to believe heresay and ignore what is obvious, I can’t promise I won’t point that out. If that means I’ll be called names again, c’est la vie.

Thanks for your comment. I appreciate that you mentioned your age so that we would know you have some years of experience to go on. Oddly though, I’ve watched numerous people attempt to discredit McCain for his age, which is similar to yours. How do you feel about that? (Just a curious question, no disrespect intended.) Do you think you’d be considered capable for 4 more years of your life? I have an uncle who lived to be over 100. It bothers me that people discount others by their age. One person at 74 (or even 78) may be more capable, competent and healthy than another is at 66 (or 59 for that matter). I think people should be taken indidually. Your thoughts?

Comment by fracas

I’m an Alaskan and i’m not gonna vote for another 4 years of Bull!8 was enough!and i’m guessing i’m one of the 20% that does not approve and i’m sure there are more…but there scared to say anything cause Palin IS POPULAR!!!Sarah Doesn’t like Anne cause She stood up to her!Sarah Tries to scary off people that Try to stand up to HER!!! Hey ROse well put!Thanks!And talking bout Wasilla…i would never live there!!! that place is the Redneck Rivera of Alaska!!I’ve been to Wasilla so many times and there so Rude and Mean!Just cause of the color of my Skin they treat me different…and this is where Sarah Palin is from!Anne is Just telling the truth and what she’s seen!!

Comment by Chris from Alaska

I’m sorry you’ve been treated badly in Wasilla. I’ve never been there so I can’t agree or disagree about what it’s like there. I can tell you that there are towns where I’m from, where people treat outsiders badly for all kinds of reasons. I don’t know what the color of your skin is, and it doesn’t matter to me, but sometimes small towns do just treat people who aren’t from there poorly and it’s not about skin color so much as they just consider everyone else an outsider. We have those too. We also have towns that are predominantly one religion or another, and so treat people not belonging to the main religion in the town badly too.

I sure wish people didn’t do that.

However, there are people who don’t share Anne’s opinion too. I agree she’s just telling what she’s seen from her perspective, it’s just that I believe she should be calling that opinion and not fact. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. We just should be presenting them as opinions and not facts.

I hope you enjoy wherever it is in Alaska that you do live. I’d like to see it someday, I’m sure it’s a beautiful State.

Comment by fracas

fracas, I think you’re taking the criticism about being rude get to you. You let some fastballs right out over the plate go by without swinging the bat on these last couple of posts!
Come on – spice it up a little!

Comment by Dan

Dan – Ok, I’m taking that as a voc. Thanks for that. I used to debate abortion and am quite used to the whole “everyone is going to attack you ’cause you’re saying what they don’t want to hear” thing but it is nice to hear the occasional “you aren’t a jerk, keep doing what you’re doing” comment.

I’m actually just a bit tired. I posted over at the other site that I just need a breather.

Between trying to work on other projects related to… oh, actually earning a living (lol) and a major volunteer committment I have to honour (not to mention that I actually have kids to take care of), keeping up with everything has me spending too many hours awake.

Please feel free to comment to anyone who commented here. I encourage that here, it doesn’t have to be all about me. I don’t mind if commenters reply to other commenters. ;-)

Comment by fracas

I’m glad you took notice that all your catty rebuttal actually unnecessarily upsets and saddens viewers.

Comment by rose

rose – you obviously didn’t read my reply to Besos. Perhaps you should’ve read that before you jumped to leave this comment.

Is someone forcing you to read here? No. It is not the responsibility of every blogger, or journalist, or online magazine, to make sure they never upset and sadden their readers. In fact, ticking off people is what many make their goal when writing and posting online.

The vast majority of the other 1000+ posts on this site are funny, silly and meant to entertain. Occasionally, something controversial is posted and occasionally the readers are ticked off at me. It is unavoidable when one chooses to post an opinion that is likely to be opposed by others.

If they don’t like that opinion, they are free to either not read it, read some of the other more entertaining stuff, or comment. If they comment and are rude to me, they will get it back in spades. If they can’t handle that, they should make a different choice because as I said earlier, it is not my job to hide my own opinions so that others won’t be upset.

That’s how this internet/blogging/forums/comments/discussion thing works online. Everyone should know the name of the game or not play.

Comment by fracas

Sarah the Great! Thank God!

Comment by ben mason

Given the fact that not much is known about Sarah Palin, Anne’s letter gives some insight no matter that she’s a Democrat. I find Palin to have unbridled thirst for power at any cost. The fact that she continually lies about the bridge to nowhere is only one example of the need to hear cheers based on no fact. If she were a man, the media would be all up in arms. The fact that the McCain camp keeps her under wraps bodes well for a good debate with Biden. When she does campaign alone, she only sticks to the stump speech and doesn’t take any questions from anyone.

Trust is something that we need to have in a public official…Palin hasn’t proven to be trustworthy with her repeated lack of truth even in her stump speeches.

McCain was searching for a vehicle to win over Hillary’s army of voters…some of them will be bowled over by the Palin charisma, but I’m betting that most are thoughtful and will weigh what we’ve learned about the Alaskan governor and will reject her extreme views as well as McCain’s irresponsible move to select such a candidate.

Comment by Ellen

Anne Kilkenny said it best herself. Being a registrar she has seen too many people vote who were not probably informed. She knows Palin and thought it would be of value to the public to learn of conduct first as Mayor and then as Governor. I thank Anne for email. Palin never seems honest, forthright. More mysterious. Now we know why. What Palin is saying now is only the beginning of a long, horrible trip this America can not afford to take. God Bless Anne for opening our eyes.

Comment by Laurie

ben – I don’t know if I’d go *that* far…

Ellen & Laurie – And being rational and fair people, I bet both of you are willing to give as much consideration to the insight offered in

this letter about Sarah Palin

and

this letter about Sarah Palin.

To not give these letters the same weight as Kilkenny’s letters would really make you both just biased and irrational… wouldn’t it? Heavens. We know you aren’t *that* so I’m happy to link you over to that new insight! The more information, the better… right?

Cheers.

;-)

Comment by fracas




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