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I think what pinkdaisy is trying to say is that personal thoughts are personal thoughts. You, mr. sentinel, should be free to (for example) think that fracas is the biggest fraccing bitch you’ve ever come across… and you should be free in your own home, to tell your mate, your best friend, or whomever… in the privacy of your own home… that you think I’m a bitch, hate me, or whatever… and not have to worry that someone is using a device to record you and then broadcast that all over the public airwaves in an attempt to sell something at YOUR expense.

As a society, WE ought to be taking a stand against that too, but rather than take a stand against that wrong… you seem to prefer to revel in being privvy to something that was meant to be private, and think your own stand to be the higher road because you think you’re coming out against racism.

In fact… if Dog is truly racist.. I wouldn’t defend that any more than I will defend the people who spy, stalk and harass others (mostly celebrities) trying to “get the goods on them” when in fact, “the goods” are sometimes as base as a poor reaction to extreme stress.

It’s unfortunate my points went over your head and you’re so consumed with hate for the Dog that you can’t see the irony of your own behaviour here.

Unacceptable behaviour should be condemned no matter who is doing it and unfortunately, that means that the people who use unacceptable means to obtain something on someone else are no better than the person they’re trying to ‘out”.

The blog is called fracas.. and just because most of the time it’s silly and goofy here, doesn’t mean occasionally I post something that does actually cause an uproar.

People are free to comment to their heart’s desire here. I’ve been “insulted” online so many times for my opinions, the lashes don’t even flutter anymore. So please… discuss and don’t worry that it’s “my” blog. I like it when everyone feels so at home they can just speak freely.

Oh for the love of Pete.

blacksentinel… you came here and made HUGE assumptions about me and what I believe. I pointed them out to you.

I’ve watched you dismiss every point anyone has made, and one by one… label everyone a racist because you cannot bully them into yuor opinion.

You’ve either ignored valid points people have made (particulary if the point seems to show that maybe you and black people aren’t the only ones that things happen to) or you’ve dismissed their points outright and insisted it’s only how you see things that matter. You call others a racist, yet you lump all white people together, and imply that it’s ok for people to bash or discriminate women… but not blacks.

You obviously don’t realize that this is not the way to convince others nor win arguments.

You give examples of what you feel are racist situations but you ignore or make excuses when others tell of similar things happening to them thus giving others the impression that you only care if something happens to a black person and not others.

Your friend… the job thing. That same thing happened to me. I was all but given a job over the phone and then didn’t get it after the in person meeting. And… exact same thing happened to my husband. In fact that time, he actually travelled to another province because he was told to start work Monday morning and when he arrived, was sluffed off and told “it hadn’t really been decided”. These things DO happen to others, not just black people. You need to understand that everything that happens isn’t about your color.

Granted… racism does exist. The world IS brimming over with assholes and idiots… take the whole Phelps ministry thing for example. No one here, including every single person you’ve slammed and called a racist here, thinks racism doesn’t exist. These people are people *I* know and you don’t. You arrive here and without knowing people, or being willing to consider what they have to say… label everyone a racist… make comments that include words like “you people” and “people like you” and expect any of us to think you’re anything other than someone who can’t see anything because your own hate has blinded YOU.

If you, as a black woman, want anyone to take you seriously, you should try to consider that every white person is not a racist, and sometimes…. maybe they might have a point or two about a partcular situation. You know… conceding a point or two here and there wouldn’t make you a traitor to your cause, it would simply make you a reasonable person others might listen to.

As it is, you come off as someone who can’t see anything unless everyone else in the world is ready to say that a black person doesn’t ever do anything wrong or do anything to affect the outcome of a situation and therefore every bad thing that ever happens to them is because of their color.

For the record:

In Canada, Aboriginal (First Nation) employers are allowed to hire on a race basis, white people are not. They are allowed to run ads that say “Preference will be given to those of aboriginal ancestry”. If I as an employer, did that in reverse, I’d be in big trouble. Government agencies here are allowed to state that they will prefer women, and visible minorites in their hiring. White men are not allowed to complain about that.

The other day, I was shouted down in a parking lot by a man of Middle Eastern descent in a car that was trying to pull out from behind me and butt in in front of me because he did not want to wait his fair turn in the bumper to bumper jam-up that had happened. He was 100% in the wrong for his behaviour and when I told him to go back in line and wait his turn like everyone else, he used derogatory terms and called me a “stupid woman”.

These things happen to everyone. Am I going to label every man of middle eastern descent. No. This was ONE ignorant person. Am I going to convince myself that while over the phone I got that job, that in person I was discriminated against? No. I’m not. Perhaps my body language or some answer I gave to a question.. made the CEO think I wasn’t the choice.

These things happen to everyone, not just black people.

If you want anyone to take you seriously; if you want to help white people understand anything… perhaps you should try be a little more balanced yourself.

It’s irrelevant that his son sold the tape. The point he was trying to make to the son was that the paps (good abreviation Linda) were all over him and he wanted it to stop.

Guess what? Those kinds of things happen to white people too. My husband and I were partners in a business with some people that turned out to be a little dishonest in their business dealings. When we outed something they did, we ended up being the target of people who wanted to do us physical harm. A subsequent boss I had learned about this, and decided she couldn’t risk keeping me at her business.

I got over it. I didn’t hate her for it because I don’t know what it might have been like to be in her shoes.

And as someone else put it (not going to read everything again to recall who said it), there isn’t a single one of us who can say they haven’t said something in their own home, or at the office, or in a phone conversation/argument with a family member, that wouldn’t make them look like a bad person. Not even you. If you say you’ve never said something you shouldn’t, or that would make YOU look really, really bad… I’m going to reply that you’re a liar. I have. So has everyone else.

That’s all most of us are trying to say about Dog. In fact, my post title might read Dog the Bounty Hunter is not a racist… but the first line of the post reads … or Dig the Bounty Hunter is a racist.

YOU came here, didn’t see that I was really trying to say maybe we should make sure we know all the details before we condemn… and promptly proceeded to use language like “people like you”.

You judged me right off the bat. You failed to consider anything but your own narrow view. You made assumptions and leaps about me and the others who came along, because you assume we’re all white. Whatever that “john’s maids” comment means, I don’t know. The John I know has no maids. He’s a white guy who has struggled his way back from years of being homeless in Florida.

But by all means… judge him to be a racist too. He’s white after all.

I’m rather disgusted already. You’ve done nothing but behave in a racist way towards every white person here but WE are the bad, evil and wrong ones.

And THAT is why there are race problems.

There was a point here in the post. You missed it and chose to turn this into an assault on white people. If you’d been willing to discuss with an open mind, you’d have found several people here who are willing to wait before they condemn, because they’ve been somewhere in life that means they’ve been at the other end of that stick themselves.

These are good people but you’ll never know that because you were too busy wanting to make them all fit your “white racist” stereotype.

It’s your loss.

Readers need not apologize for long comments, “hogging” my blog, etc.

I do not mind if people post long comments, and what the heck good would it be to have a blog that people felt like they couldn’t comment in?

Please.. go ahead.

I totally love you Hazel!

But you already knew that.

In fact.. I have reasons to think each one of the people who posted here, are wonderful people. And none are truly racist. I wish blacksentinel and others who would jump to such conclusions because we’re discussing something… would realize that there really are people out there who are truly racist or sexist or people filled with the kind of hate that’s scary… and save their own hate for that. Misplacing it on us won’t accomplish anything. I realize it’s easier to battle us than the truly racist or the truly hateful… but it serves no purpose other than to alienate them from people who might actually be on their side if they really bothered to look deep enough.

no… xoxoxoxoxo

(Sorry.. I still haven’t gotten over that competitive thing that happened to me during October. I blame DaddyP for that.)

LOL on the colorful hair won’t get you a job thing Linda. I told dd the same thing only because that karma is a bitch… she did luck out and got hired by someone who said they didn’t care about her hair or her multiple piercings…. or her goth clothes, etc. etc.

I say karma.. because five years ago I hired this girl who wore a dog collar with a padlock on it at the front, had black hair, white makeup and enough eyeliner to keep stockholders of BonneBell Cosmetics Stocks happier than a pig in the caca. One shift, she told me how her mom hated her look and told her how no one would hire her… but then I did and so she said HA. I (with my mom genes screaming to fix it) told her that yes, her mom was right… and she was very lucky that I hired her because I knew her reference and so that helped, and how in the job world that look might indeed have hampered her job finding efforts.

I was destined to have that happen to me in return.

LOL.

This post isn’t even registering enough hits to make it to the abreviated list in my stats. Miley Cyrus is still higher. In fact, that “Nude Pictures of Fracas” post is even ranked higher than this one.

Go figger (And that was Figger… with an “F” before anyone freaks out misreading it) that nude pictures of me would get more hits than “racist” Dog.

The world has come unglued.

Umm, I think Penfold showed as much of fracas as I want online.

And that’s another thing what ticks me. People who release other peoples’ nude or sex photos without their permission.

(From that, I eliminate the whole group of girls that arrange for them to be “accidentally” online and then feign surprise while counting the cash)

In losing the job opportunity, I don’t think I was a victim of anything other than someone meeting me and making a choice they felt was best for their corporation/organization. That’s what I mean. I could play all kinds of games and let myself think I’m a victim.. but that won’t help me in the next interview. I don’t think living life with a victim mentality helps anyone.

Yes, wrong things happen. To everyone. I’m sure that there are black people who have been given less opportunities than white people. I am also sure that there are black people who have (for various reasons) more opportunities than some white people. The same is true for white people and first nations people in Canada, etc. There is unfairness in the world. No one disputes that, we just dispute the fact that every situation must automatically be dubbed discrimination.

I don’t think the Dog situation is as much about discrimination as it is about dysfunction. Clearly, the additional comments in the longer version show there are a lot of other factors involved that weren’t provided for everyone by the tabloid that bought the tape because quite frankly… the nigger comments would make more money for them. I wonder why black people aren’t outraged that they are constantly played and used in this way by the media. If you think about it… had the tape come out in full and the story been “Dysfunctional family argues over worth of alleged troublemaking girlfriend and possible mental health issues on the part of other family members” it wouldn’t have had the same moneymaking impact for the tabloid as “Dog the Bounty Hunter is a racist.”

The media uses situations like this to make money. Essentially exploiting black people everywhere. All they have to do is engineer a story to look like racism and they know that black people everywhere will be up in arms. Then… they sit back and count the dollars while the black public fights it out with everyone else, kind of like a guy in a bar watching girls mudfight. You should be upset about that. Instead, that gets lost in the whole racism argument and the story pushers sit back and laugh about it, forgetting that in the process, people’s lives are ruined and everday folks are scrapping about racism when maybe the situation isn’t even all about racism.

We’re not bashing you blacksentinel (dang it but I can’t abbreviate that because you’d think I was being mean) we’re sticking up for ourselves. Your initial post here was to make blanket “you people” type generalizations that sounded offensive. Why do you feel that our sticking up for ourselves is bashing you?

And… Linda might be one person who offered up examples of her daily life that impressed you, but I guarantee that you would find others here doing the same types of things. Like I said, these are good people here. They just preferred to hear all the facts before they condemned him.

Personally, I think that’s an honorable quality. You didn’t seem to share that opinion.

Lastly, you said to Hazel:

This just being human. If a person uses this human fault to cause harm to another is when it is the problem.

I’d suggest that showing up and making unfair generalizations about us was doing the same. I’m not sure why you feel using that human fault to cause harm to another is ok when you do it… but not others. Perhaps you could explain that one at least, since almost every point I’ve brought up has been ignored by you.

BS – Okay.. I caught that in between post about Linda. No examples are necessary.
;-)

I’m not saying I don’t agree with you about words that are derogatory and demeaning. I just happen to agree with Linda, John and many others who think that if we’re going to say a certain word is bad, it should be bad for everyone to use. I think the very reason that Dog got in this mess is because we have this double standard about who can use a word and it’s okay, and who can use a word and then it’s bad.

Dog lives in a world of street people, people avoiding the law and there’s a lot of street language used. I wouldn’t call anyone “Bra” either… but they do. The problems happen when people like him use words that are part of their daily life, but when others hear those words, they sound bad so a fury happens.

We should be arguing for all these words to be not okay, not for some people to be able to use them and others not.

I think when all the mad-at-you-no-mad-at-YOU stuff is stripped away, we aren’t that far apart.

I’ve watched the show for much longer than you. I see that when the search and the chase is on there’s lots of rhetoric and big words, tough talk to catch the person, but when the person is caught Dog is the one who melts and backs down and just wants to help the person get another chance. I’ve seen Beth be mad at him because he takes a chance on a person that means they might lose the bond they guaranteed on that person. I’ve seen him do tons of kindnesses to the person whom at the start of the show, he was talking tough about.

That’s what I’ve seen. I’ve not seen him put a person down.. and each time, he tells the person about how he too, was in their shoes and they can be more than what their current choices are showing.

That’s why I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Now… the people who did what they did to Megan Williams… no sympathy from me. None. Imus? None. He doesn’t use street talk in his daily life. There was no confusion in what he said, he was just being a jackass.

I like to think I’m fair enough to give credit where credit is due and shit where shit is due. I’ve said that very statement often to my own kids. I know I’m a fair person and I think Dog should get the benefit of the doubt. This time.

Please, do hang around here if you like. Usually this blog is more about goofing off and fun. Only occasionally do we have a fracas, and I never hold a person’s opinions against them. You are welcome to fun around here like everyone else. And why don’t you check out the Megan Williams post (type her name into the search box in the header) and see how the good comes out in many people if you give them a chance.

Please… could someone get me a towel. There’s all this irony dripping and oozing off of that last comment and Mr. Woody doesn’t seem to see it.

Sigh. I guess I’ll have to clean it up then. Where is that towel?