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Facebook hates boobs.

Because Robert Scoble is a dedicated blogger and father with the confidence to become a lactivist, I’ve just learned that Facebook hates boobs. My boobs, your boobs, your mom’s boobs, your sister’s boobs, Vanessa Hudgen’s boobs, Britney Spears’ boobs, Jean Louisa Kelly’s boobs, Lindsay Lohan’s boobs, Paris Hilton’s boobs, Shyamali Malakar’s boobs, real boobs, fake boobs, and even (yes, I am serious) Pamela Anderson’s boobs and Dolly Parton’s boobs.

Even if those boobs are breastfeeding.

According to this article (graciously provided by Scoble), five of Karen Speed’s photos were deleted last month and her account shut down because Facebook considers her breastfeeding photos to be obscene. There’s even a petition about it in the new Facebook group called “Hey Facebook, breastfeeding is not obscene!”

This isn’t a new issue. Over at The Thinking Blog, they’ve had a Show Your Support For Topless Women  campaign for some time. Even people fracas knows have taken it to their own blogs by way of the little support button… people like Hazel  and John

Over at Scoble’s blog, comments to his post are many. As one commenter (Sue) put it, “We live in a society where “adult” means dirty, where “woman” means fat, and where men think they should take off their shirts in public but make it a crime when women do.” 

I’m not sure I agree.

Well, I’m not disagreeing with breastfeeding, and I’m not agreeing with Facebook (who hates your boobs, remember)  as much as I’m not sure that it’s true that men have the freedom to display their boobs (manboobs to be specific) at their whim while women don’t. I’m also not convinced that women are so hard done by when it comes to the displaying of their boobs.

You see, in some situations, women seem to be able to get away with a lot of boob-age or use of boobs, flaunting of boobs, whatever you want to call it, and men in the same situation are not.

Case in point: Cooking shows.

Nigella Lawson (of Nigella Bites and Nigella Feasts)  and Giada De Laurentiis (of Giada’s Weekend Getaways and Everyday Italian) are two good examples where it seems to be ok to use a woman’s boobs to the advantage. Having watched both of their shows and noting how many of the camera angles involve that which favours their boobs, I can say that regardless of whether a woman has larger boobs (such as with Lawson) or small boobs (such as with De Laurentiis) the camera angle used is going to favour the boobs.

It’s a given.

Giada’s producers obviously choose to make up for her lack of cup size with abundance of view, and she regularly wears very low cut thinly knit tops to allow for the bending-over-the-bowl shots to play what she’s got to her advantage. With Nigella, it’s not always about the low cut as much as it is about the size and the flirting that goes along with it. Lawson’s producers show boob shots that, despite the mammoth mammaries being covered more sufficiently than De Laurentiis’, still give the viewer what they want because it is paired with Lawson’s frequent “tasting” of her fare, expressed by the sucking her fingers, and that kind of thing.

But do we see this when it comes to the male food show hosts? Have we ever been taunted by any show of chest-age from, oh, say… Bobby Flay (of Boy Meets Grill and Throwdown with Bobby Flay ), Alton Brown (of Good Eats with Alton Brown ) or even Duff (of Ace of Cakes)? No.

I won’t even bother comparing Emeril Lagasse (of Emeril Live), because we all know he was swaddled like a newborn what with all the chef’s jackets and aprons.  Despite his trademark “BAM” thing, it wasn’t even close to a “wham bam, thank you ma’am” kind of thing. No, all in all, there’s a clear and present “boobs are good if you’re a woman but not if you’re a man” thing happening where it comes to food shows.

Why? I don’t know. I’m not so sure boobs hanging into the batter makes for a better muffin so I have this sneaky suspicion it’s that women’s boobs get ratings. And so that makes it ok.

Case in point: YouTube

A few weeks back, I was on holidays. I did however, leave a quantity of posts that I’d written in advance and timestamped to appear while I was gone. One of those posts was  Fracas Supports Man Boobs… You Can Too!  In this post, I provided a video from YouTube, showing a point being made by the user known as visiblemode, that boobs are ok to be shown so long as they’re female, yet not if they’re male. In jest, he’d posted a video that showed him squinching (yes, that is a word) his chest together in a close-up that made it appear to be boobs. He was doing so to point out how so many women and girls are able to flaunt their boobs all over YouTube while the male gender is not. His video was flagged and made viewable only to those over 18, and he was justifiably perplexed at the whole thing. I thought he made such a good point, that I created the BUST Stereotypes campaign contained within that post. I admit, once back from holidays, I’ve not put as much effort into promoting that campaign as I’d like to.

So perhaps Facebook coming out and owning up to hating your boobs is a good thing because it’s given me the chance to call some attention to the situations at hand.  There honestly seems to be no rhyme or reason to why any site would suddenly decide to delete breastfeeding photos or flag a video of a male chest as “adult”. On each side, we have people mounting campaigns because they feel the “situation” is unjust when the reality is, that there just doesn’t seem to be any consensus.

At one site, boobs are good, boobs are used to flaunt and promote anything and everything. At another site, they’re bad and banned. Ditto for male boobs and male chests. While men can indeed, walk the streets without a shirt, visiblemode’s experience proves that while he can walk to the store for a soda without a shirt, he can’t post his chest on YouTube for anyone under 18 to see.

It’s a good thing we can escape from all these controversial and confusing situations by spending a few hours viewing the latest (possibly) underage photos of a totally naked Vanessa Hudgens, or review our old bookmarks of all those Paris Hilton, Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan crotch shots.

Because we all know that those things are great, but a baby breastfeeding or a guy joking about his manboobs

Throw them in the brink.

It’s for the betterment of society. Really.


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Talking about Nigella on our bigscreen Tv with full screen on a rectangular, Nigella looks all but tasty…

So facebook suddenly became under age and needs to erase boobs? Mybloglog did the same already months ago, even erasing a dancing avatar of fully clothed no boobs showing Alizee. Euhm… which Internet where they all born that things suddenly needs to get banned???

Comment by Linky Love September 16, 2007 @ 7:47 am

Fracas,

I would be happy to lend a hand (or two) to your support. Heck, I’m happy to lend my hands to any woman who needs support for their breasts. And let’s lick breast cancer while we’re at it.

Comment by WhoreChurch September 16, 2007 @ 8:19 am

Linky Love - I agree about Nigella. When I see her I’m just embarassed for her. Giada too, to a lesser extent. I mean, hell, if you’re show can’t get viewers because of your cooking, then why do one? It’s a freaking food network, it’s supposed to be about the food.

WhoreChurch - LOL. You kill me. Your generosity aside, the campaign was to support MANboobs. Are you still interested? I’m adding you to the list… you men NEED to stick together on this. ;-)

Comment by fracas September 16, 2007 @ 10:55 am

Frac,

I was very specific in my wording. Note the use of “your” in the comment above.

Just to be clear.

But then again, with hormone therapy, makeup, etc. I’m glad I’m not dating any more–you never know when you might ask out a total tranny

Comment by WhoreChurch September 16, 2007 @ 12:37 pm

What the frac is going on in the world. I brest fed my child and to heck with the world….. I had a hungry baby and I was the food supply (hey that is nature, oh have we just decended into a nanny state where) I am more offended my manboobs that parade in the summer months from men thinking they are gorgeous……. thank goodness we have the dark winter months about to come along and the eeeewwwww site of saggy manboobs is over for a few months

Comment by 70steen September 16, 2007 @ 5:15 pm

What the frac is going on in the world. I brest fed my child and to heck with the world….. I had a hungry baby and I was the food supply (hey that is nature, oh have we just decended into a nanny state where the Howard Hughes of this world rule? ) I am sorry but I must cast a nil point for manboobs that parade in the summer months from men thinking they are gorgeous……. thank goodness we have the dark winter months about to come along and the eeeewwwww site of saggy manboobs is over for a few more months !!! PHEW!

Comment by 70steen September 16, 2007 @ 5:18 pm

Just stumbled across your site…and I’d like to say that I support boobs and always will. Please visit my blog & you’ll understand why! http://olgathetravelingbra.blogspot.com

Comment by OlgaTTB September 16, 2007 @ 6:25 pm

Oh my god, I can’t believe you guys are negative about Nigella’s physique! I think she looks great, and she’s a great example of a healthy voluptuous woman on television. I celebrated her in a post on Three Bright Stars

I also left a comment with the “Hey Facebook” crowd and got totally ignored, even though I thought I had a good and different point about the difficulty new mothers are already going through without worrying about some uptight types raining on what is probably their only outing for that week. I certainly felt that way, going stir crazy at home, even though my body was a wreck and I hadn’t slept for a month - and then another, and another.

I’m saying I think it’s more a social attitude towards mothers in general, not just a tiny shock of seeing the nipple. Because, you know, it’s just a mammary, everyone!

Comment by emedwid September 16, 2007 @ 6:52 pm

Live Journal banned breastfeeding photos from being default icons last year.

I applaud all the moms that breastfeed!

Comment by Al_Pal September 17, 2007 @ 12:07 am

Thank god blogger hasn’t gone all no boobs, mine are becoming harder to hide.

Comment by Kate Isis September 17, 2007 @ 9:54 am

WhoreChurch - Does your redhead know you’re on this nasty internet offering to “support” other womens’ boobs? LOL. I might have to tell on you.

70steen - I’m not saying I’m in favour of seeing the manboobs, just that if women want to go topless (and some women have 38longs that are pretty icky) then manboobs should be ok too. I breastfed three kids but I always preferred to drape a thin cotton blanket over my shoulder. I don’t see why that’s so hard to do. I jsut thought it was easier and made me and everyone around me more confortable anyway.

OlgaTTB - I love your site. I might have to blogroll you! Thanks for leaving a comment or I might not have found you.

emedwid - I agree, sometimes a new mom just needs that outing. In my own case, I used a thin cotton blankie (see above comment) because that made everyone happy. I’m not the kind to just whip out my boob in public, natural as breastfeeding is, I just think a blankie (thin, cotton, not a hot sweaty thermal thing) is the perfect solution. I think it helps keep baby from being distracted too!

Al-Pal - Me too!

Kate - LOL. You’re a gem!

Comment by fracas September 17, 2007 @ 11:25 am

Thanks for your support Fracas! I can always use a little more exposure. And I’ll add you to my 2 BIG CUPS UP list too! I love your blog!
http://olgathetravelingbra.blogspot.com

Comment by Olga, the Traveling Bra September 17, 2007 @ 11:50 am

Frac,

My redhead understands the difference between comedy and reality. Good thing, too, or it would mean she would think I was a cross dressing bi-sexual who finds Total Tranny romantically appealing.

Comment by WhoreChurch September 17, 2007 @ 12:31 pm

Thankls Olga, and your bra has traveled all the way onto my blogroll. Hope it travels from there too.

Kevin - I’m so glad. I’d hate to think she and I might someday end up mudwrestling or something.

Comment by fracas September 17, 2007 @ 8:42 pm

Fracas,

I’ve heard about men lactating and breastfeeding. How do you kick start these things on?

Comment by JohnC September 21, 2007 @ 11:49 pm

The lactating thing is kind of weird. But I don’t understand why Facebook should have a problem with boobs. Nigella Lawson and Giada De Laurentiis look great and have indeed some advantage in the boob market. I like it this way!

Comment by Santadelic September 25, 2007 @ 1:45 pm

I’ll happily support this Bust Stereotypes Campaign! I love it! Equality is after all Equality. Okay off to do some reading up on the issues of manboob’s (?) Manaries? oppression.

Comment by Hazel March 4, 2008 @ 3:14 pm



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